Monday, September 18, 2006

2 out of 3 Colorado voters favor earned legalization.

Nearly two of every three Colorado voters think illegal immigrants should be allowed to become U.S. citizens if they pay taxes, learn English and meet other requirements, according to a new Rocky Mountain News/CBS 4 poll. Only 15 percent of those polled favor mass deportations.

"People want to be tough but fair," said pollster Lori Weigel. "It's like many issues. You tend to hear from extremes on both ends. Clearly, this data indicate that there's a silent majority that is supportive of a more middle-ground approach."

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14 comments:

Anonymous said...

The rest of America thinks the same as Colorado the immigrant haters are a sad minorty
Love to all
Joan

sweeney todd said...

Baloney

Anonymous said...

Sweeney todd
I am moved by your in put in this debate did you think of that all by your self or did some one help you
Love to all
Joan

Sweeney Todd said...

Joan;

I say "baloney" because of the manner in which such survey questions are framed. For example, here is the typical way the question is presented: "Do you believe that some illegal aliens should be given the chance to earn their way to a legalized status?"

"...given a chance", like given a chance to win the lottery. And at what odds? A million to one chance, perhaps? And then if one wins that chance (and the vast majority will fail by definition because if it's given to everybody then it's not a chance, but rather a sure thing) one has to then accomplish the enumerated tasks of Hercules, whatever they may be, in order to get into the club. All along during the process, any failure and you are out.

When presented with that sort of a survey question, most respondents including myself would say 'yes', knowing full well, the impact on US population would be very mild.

On the other hand, there is the mantra which many contributors have posted throughout this blog, and is constantly repeated by the spokespeople for the ILIR, and that is: "Legalize the Irish. Legalize them all". Most respondents would say 'no' to that type of a survey question. Now, as far as numbers, we're talking maybe 50,000 (so they say), with some very strong pressure to include (unconditionally so it seems) the 12-25 million illegal aliens from other nations - mostly Mexico.

I hate to tell you but the US and Mexico do not have good relations, much the same way that England and Ireland do not have good relations. Too much history, and that little war when my great-grandfathers fought their great grandfathers, and my great grandfathers won. Then it was soon forgotten here and became a distant memory and a historical footnote. But not in Mexico. It's as if it happened yesterday, and the sentiment for revenge is very strong. The hatred for America expressed by the Muslim world is more extreme than the hatred expressed for America by the Mexicans. But the Mexican hatred comes in second place. Why would we even want to go there. The Irish are making a mistake aligning themselves with Mexican Anti-Americanism.

"Good fences make good neighbors", says Robert Frost and I. Mexico shares this North American continent with all her bounties. There is no reason why they can't make a go of it.

Bottom line for me, is the impact of immigration on US population growth. Projections state that S2611 will increase the US population by 200 million over the next 20 years. It's like increasing the population of Ireland from 4 million to 6.75 million in 20 years. Maybe the projections are wrong, but I'm not taking any chances. Would you?

So, Joan, the "correct" survey question (and this is only my opinion) that should be asked is: "How much would like US population to increase in 20 years, 50 years, 100 years? What kind of a country do you wish to leave to your children and grandchildren?"

Anonymous said...

Dear Sweeney todd
Please understand their will be over 70 million Americans retired in the next 20 years. The retirment age has gone to 67 the average age of the American life span is 76 .At the minute we are on course for a decline in population that would have a deathly effect on the American encomey .As for worries about mexico only one country has ever had an atom bomb or 2 droped on it
iam sure most Japanies are realy thank full for that.Please come down from cloud 9 and join the rest of us
Love to all
Joan

Sean said...

If the American population drops then hopefully there will be corresponding declines in pollution and consumption, which would not be bad for Earth.

Backfilling with Latinos is not the answer. sweeney todd wrote...'Mexico shares this North American continent with all her bounties. There is no reason why they can't make a go of it.' which is not quite accurate. Having traveled and worked in Mexico, I can attest to these facts : Mexico does have an abundance of crude oil reserves, a dearth of fresh water, a majority of the population that practices a religion that forbids birth control and an alarmingly high illiteracy rate (aka unskilled).

Is it problematic or opportunistic that the illegal Irish are now solicting sympathy for their sins? The indisputable fact is that Latinos and Asians are the vast majority of the illegal population.

sweeney todd said...

Joan;
Sorry, to bring you down from your cloud, but here is the population projection for the US:
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/chap1.htm
The ten countries which will contribute most to world population growth over the next 30 years are India, China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Indonesia, United States of America, Bangladesh, Zaire, and Iran - in that order!
Naturally, the data on the link are only projections, rather than actual facts, by intelligent humans, who are not perfect, but it's close enough for me. Definitely, however, the US is not on course for a decline in population.
True, some 70 million Americans will be retiring, but the more accurate rendition of this statement is the these 70 million will be reaching retirement age. Many will choose to remain in the workforce, in some way, shape, or form. All will still use services, occupy homes, drive on our highways, consume, etc. Most will continue to earn income, and generate wealth.
Yes, Mexico does not manufacture nuclear weapons, though nuclear weapons are available in the world today. There are many ways to wreck havoc on a society - like methanphetamine, for example.

love to all
sweeney

sweeney todd said...

joan;

The ten countries which will contribute most to world population growth over the next 30 years are India, China, Pakistan, Nigeria, Ethiopia, Indonesia, United States of America, Bangladesh, Zaire, and Iran - in that order!
http://www.iiasa.ac.at/Research/LUC/Papers/gkh1/chap1.htm

There is no imminent decline in US population.

Anonymous said...

Because of thier big populations China and America are on this list as we all know in China the goverment like familys to have one child,in America familys it use to be four children on average that has now droped to two . So the real story we are faceing a decline in population and faceing social security shortages because of the fall work force
Love to all
Joan

sweeney todd said...

Joan;
But Iran is on the list and their population is only 55 million, just less than France. The UK is about 85 million, as is Germany. the European nations are simply not going to grow - they have made a commitment to stablizing their population growth.
Russia has only 140 million in a huge land, as does Canada with 30 million. Argentina with 30 million. These relatively empty countries should be the destinations for future immigration.

love to u

Sweeney Todd said...

joan;
America has the highest immigration rates in the world. As high as all other immigrant-receiving nations combined. Our immigration rates are simply too high, and must be reduced. If that makes me a racist, I welcome the label.

sweeney

Anonymous said...

Put simply over 70 million Americans are going to pass away of old age in the next 30 years.But America will still be here
Think with your brian

sweeney todd said...

baloney!
leave with your feet!

Anonymous said...

spell with your brain, not your brian - unless that's the name of the person rolling inside your head